Vladimir Kara-Murza Sr.: And we have Lev Levinson on the line from Vologda.

Lev Levinson: I will continue what Valentin Mikhailovich said about the investigation. The fact is that in the third State Duma, the question of creating a parliamentary commission was raised twice. Sergei Nikolaevich Yushenkov was the first to raise it. The decision was not made. 182 deputies voted for it, with 226 votes required. After some time, deputy Viktor Imantovich Alksnis, who held the exact opposite political position, raised the question of creating a parliamentary commission to investigate the apartment bombings. And there were the same 182 votes. This was the Union of Right Forces, Yabloko, partially the Communists, and a certain part of other factions, except, of course, Unity, Fatherland, and United Russia. Then this initiative failed twice. And the commission was not created.

Then those deputies who initiated it, except for Alksnis, decided to create a public commission, which, of course, could not have the same powers as a parliamentary one. But since it included several deputies headed by Sergei Adamovich, the deputies could, using their status, obtain relevant information and achieve some facts that ordinary citizens are not entitled to receive. And by law, a deputy enjoys the right, among other things, to familiarize himself with documents that are secret and constitute a state secret.

The commission was created. And the main result is this: the commission established for certain that the authorities are not interested in an honest, open investigation of these circumstances. Responses to the requests of Kovalev and Yushenkov were mere brush-offs. We sent requests to the FSB regarding Ryazan after the 'exercise' version was recognized as the main one. At first, it was allegedly a 'prevented explosion,' and then Patrushev announced that it was an exercise.

There are interesting circumstances here. When the commission was created, an article was published in the newspaper 'Versiya' by its then editor-in-chief Rustam Arifdzhanov about what actually happened, what kind of exercise it was. He adhered to the 'exercise' version. And he wrote based on a task plan that was adopted by order of the FSB director. And judging by his article, he was familiar with this material. However, when deputy Kovalev, who nevertheless had a higher status as a deputy, asked to be provided with the text of this task plan as a deputy, he received refusals. Kovalev turned to the Prosecutor General's Office with a request about the results of the investigation into the circumstances of the exercise in Ryazan and how legal this exercise was. Because such an investigation was being conducted, they admitted it, but then it was terminated. But there was no answer either.