[10:41 - 11:34] Long-Term Goals for Justice: From Idealism to Practicality

And what do you, uh, what do you want to achieve with this? Well, uh, there is, uh, a maximum program, a minimum program. The maximum program, of course, is happiness, love, goodness, and justice. That some miracle will happen, other people will come to power, they will read everything, all the recommendations, reopen the case, and finally start investigating. Uh, this is, uh, from the realm of, uh, great joy, a great victory, but for now, due to various political circumstances, this victory is postponed. And, from the realistic perspective of how I imagine it, it's better, of course, to discuss this with Karina Akopovna, but from the realistic perspective, it's the documentation of all procedural issues and, accordingly, um, leaving, uh, for a later time the possibility to resume this under favorable circumstances. That is, it's a kind of packaging, it's packaging a case with the understanding that absolutely everything that depends on us has been done. And it has been done, including on the international stage. Because I think that the next trial for the restoration of justice, concerning the unclear death of Yuri Petrovich, it will involve international observers. It will not be left to the discretion of exactly those who, so to speak, buried all this for over 20 years. But for this, there must be a precise international case. At least, in order to truly be able to open it here in a normal environment, because Russia is not going into space. This part of the land continues to be in the same place. Almost, so to speak, uh, without changing itself. And they will still have to reckon with it, still have to do something about it, including the international community. And so, Karina, Karina Akopovna is doing fantastic things. She is such a fixer of all injustices. Because further on, this will need to be presented. And the situation of the lack of lustration will not pass, it will not pass. And it will not pass, in particular, thanks to the work of lawyers who documented all this. It is all in the cases, in the destinies. That is, no, no, do you understand what happened? When perestroika happened, this hope that everyone would be given good books, and everyone would immediately have enlightenment. And everyone would, as it were, joyfully go to work for the common good. But at that time, so to speak, daring people were simply extracting and squandering. When they now say that oligarchs squandered everything. Guys, before the oligarchs, there were 'red directors' who quietly sold it to the oligarchs. And with this money, there are wonderful people who don't interfere anywhere; they immediately left. This is a self-preservation instinct. And they live in Europe and America, wonderful people. They already have different names and different surnames at the moment in the locality where they live. And their grandchildren practically don't know the Russian language anymore. And they continue to circulate these, as it were, monies that they pulled out piece by piece. And oligarchs were merely getting a certain area where they primarily attracted money; they attracted it to build something out of it. Therefore, these people do not evoke any awe or reverence in me, of course. Not everyone succeeded. But guys, they invested, they tried, they did a lot. And they created, by the way, jobs, which were filled by people who could then use that money to provide education for their children, good quality education, and then start building their small and medium businesses. That's where it came from. It's not, not, not from nowhere. It's not the person who honestly continues to dig something in a sandbox with a shovel and a spade for their grandchildren. No, these are the ones who went through this school, this crucible. Therefore, for this too, well, somehow.