[09:18 - 10:41] Collaboration with Karina Akopovna and Navigating Legal Obstacles

And how did you meet Karina? Uh, in a situation of complete collapse. When, in fact, the guys from Novaya Gazeta, who knew, and Karina was dealing with European affairs, and Karina was already dealing with Anna Politkovskaya. Uh, we missed each other twice. But mainly it was at the suggestion of Anna Savitskaya. And it was done in such a way, so, I asked the newspaper, when Yuri's first case was closed, they opened it and closed it very quickly. That we needed someone to go, and they said it could only be done with a lawyer, and to get documents for the first case, because I was not recognized as a victim. Uh, for a moment, for a little while, my son Konstantin went, but he quickly abandoned this idea because, unfortunately, he had business trips, he simply couldn't. And all of this was lengthy; it was in correspondence, everything had to be handwritten; it was all terrible. So, and then Novaya Gazeta said that we needed to try to negotiate with Anna Savitskaya. And Anna Savitskaya then recommended that perhaps we should talk to Karina and take a different approach. Just, Anna Savitskaya - who is that? Savitskaya is a lawyer, a lawyer; she dealt with the Katyn case, she is a lawyer for Novaya Gazeta. She did a lot for Anna Politkovskaya in her case. So, and she naturally knew Karina, because she is Karina's student. That a more powerful campaign would be needed after some time. But we also had investigations here, and Karina accompanied further investigations here. And we will only reach the European Court after they kick us out from everywhere and close everything. And at the time of our acquaintance, then the second case was opened, and when the second case was opened, Karina was already there. And she was already accompanying the second case.