[12:34:00 - 12:52:00] The Conversation's Timing and Ongoing Struggle

And this was generally, so to speak, a conversation around, well, judging by the time, 2009, 2010. Uh-huh. And since then, it no longer matters at all. We left the European Court. Now the ECHR remains, he's still, well, for now we are in the ECHR.