[08:34 - 1:07:07] The Chechen Constitutional Referendum and Date Verification

And then Yura, I think it's... Wait, because we looked, and I think it was... Let's. And they will let us in here tomorrow. We could, we could like pause now and look for another place. Maybe that's even better than hurrying. But, no, how, how are we doing in the natural rhythm? Maybe finish talking about... So so so my understanding is that the no, because this is why I kept asking about... No, I understand. So my understanding is that the elections were in April. No, no, but it's just for the. They were talking about then doing things at the beginning of April while Yura was in hospital, but that's kind of wrong. That's the 20th of April. So that's. Yeah. What we don't know um is is what he was talking about his work. Okay. So Alena. I'm not giving up. I'm just returning to my youth. No, of course, it's March. It's March. So the elections in Chechnya, the elections in Chechnya, where Yura went as an observer from the Yabloko party, that was around the 20th of March. This is March 2003. And then Yura... I think that it's... Wait, because we looked, and I think it was... Let's. So actually it was in March and not April. So. So Yura got into the hospital on the 25th, it turns out. The 23rd, that's probably a Sunday. Why do I have in my head that the 21st was a Saturday? So, it turns out Saturday the 22nd. Well, you see, my memory isn't working that well anymore. Well, my memory... We, we, we're getting old. Yes. So, it's March 23rd. And you know what it is? It's not the presidential elections. You know what it is, guys? It's a constitutional referendum in Chechnya. Why? And I'm reading now, indeed, this is, that is, they had to vote on what's next. And in Yura's understanding, and in the understanding of all human rights activists, they cannot take Russia's agenda. And here it is written that there were shellings there. I'll send you a link. So actually it was in March and not April. So. So Yura got into the hospital on the 25th, it turns out. The 23rd, that's probably a Sunday. Why do I have in my head that the 21st was a Saturday? So, it turns out Saturday the 22nd. Well, you see, my memory isn't working that well anymore. Well, my memory... We, we, we're getting old. Yes. I'll try to say. Now we'll speed up the pace of speech. So. While you're doing that, I'll go and ask about another room. Okay. So. So, when he came back from Chechnya, he went to the hospital. He went to the hospital. Then, two weeks later, you said he, uh, had already left and went to a sanatorium. Yes, they sent him. You see, it's. And what symptoms did he have at that time? When he was already admitted to the hospital. You know, practically none. That is, he was quite cheerful. Uh, yes, there were many different medications. But these medications were supportive, strengthening. A group of vitamins, blood vessel antispasmodics, things like that. In general, quite simple medications. What surprised me then was that I had relatives who had strokes. Well, a harsher therapy. Well, they said it was a mild cerebral circulatory disorder. That is, all the time the diagnosis was somewhat fluctuating. First they said that the blood pressure rose due to some intoxication, some kind, which they didn't particularly look for, what kind of intoxication of what, right. Then they said that, well, it's fluctuating, we, then, restored it. And, uh, what was important for us, uh, when we requested, and they didn't give it to us immediately, uh, the medical history, uh, of April, late March, early April, and then his observation in the sanatorium. That, in general, uh, they diagnosed that the person was quite healthy. And how did he explain his illness then? What did he himself think? He didn't particularly think about it. Uh, on the contrary, he didn't want to talk about it at all. He categorically disliked being in isolation in the hospital. And moreover, it was like, oh, nonsense. So, rubbish. Nonsense. So, you need to exercise, buy a membership to the pool. We'll go to the pool together. So, and I was quite sporty, I rode a bicycle, which Yura didn't approve of much. He says, 'You'll even make me ride a motorcycle next to you.' Although Yura was an excellent swimmer, and he was a boxer. And even a youth champion in flyweight. That is, in a small weight, he could quite, so to speak, stand up for himself in a fistfight. Uh, and, uh, the only thing is, of course, I started to worry that he, that he was sick like that, uh, and trying to protect him somehow. And I'm a vegetarian and don't eat many things in life, it has always been like that, for a very long time. So. And then Yura says, 'No, I don't need this, this, this meat.' 'I'll eat like you. I, like you, will eat fish and eat salad, it's healthy, I'm still strong.' And, so, I will monitor my health. And indeed, uh, he started to monitor it more, which was completely uncharacteristic for him, both his health and his food, and, so to speak, alcohol just disappeared. He, uh, to say 'he got scared,' it's not the word 'scared.' That is, he started thinking that he needed to keep himself in shape, because otherwise you might not accomplish what you want to do. You'll just end up like that. But during this first illness, he never thought that, uh, well, he didn't ask, 'why did I suddenly get so sick?'