[17:22:90 - 19:59:00] The Golden Age of Journalism and Yura's Enduring Impact

And it seems, as you describe, that he generally had a very positive approach to people, he believed in good people. Absolutely positive. Absolutely believed in kindness. Please tell me, how was he? That it, that it wins. That yes, the road may be. He was not, uh, as it were, enchanted, right, he was a man of action. But he understood that if you have a line of positive direction, you do it, you don't give up. So, if it didn't work out once, we go a second time, if it didn't work out a second time, we go a third time and organize people. That is, uh, as it were, we spread this idea of togetherness, of brotherhood. And, in fact, that Novaya Gazeta, where Yura worked in his last years as a journalist, and before Komsomolets, there was also a wonderful literary newspaper. Where there were journalists of simply the highest caliber, the highest category of professionalism. These were the seventies - golden, the seventies and eighties - these were the golden times of journalism. Now there is simply nothing like it. And, uh, the literary newspaper, in many ways, I believe, it formed the support for Gorbachev's perestroika. Because the layer of people who read this newspaper, it was weekly, then there were also separate special issues. Uh, they read the magazines Novy Mir, Foreign Literature, where somehow, yes, with corrections and remarks. But at the official level, these were official magazines. I'm not saying that someone had access to books, to those same Ardis, to Posev, brought from abroad, right? But the main, uh, the main residents of large cities, they, uh, read those to whom it was important. And the literary newspaper had millions of copies. And it was read from cover to cover and passed around. And there, precisely, was this pleiad of journalists whom Yura, in essence, blessed in the profession. And as, uh, Dmitry Muratov once said, were there journalists better than Yura? Of course. Were there politicians, uh, more successful and stronger than Yura? Of course. Were there people...