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Section 1

...was involved in selecting premises for rent. Offices for cashing out [money laundering]. From Red Square to "Dynamo" — they had everything. When we tried to eradicate this group, the current director of the FSB Nikolai Platonovich Patrushev, Nikolai Dmitrievich Kovalev, and Mikhail Ivanovich Barsukov stood up in their defense. That is, it turned out that the special services at that stage were not interested in eradicating these terrorist and extremist groups in Moscow. There is only one question: for what? One can only guess... They were being raised for the future...

Section 2: M.I. TREPASHKIN

M.I. TREPASHKIN: After the explosion, those who knew Romanovich unequivocally pointed out: it's him. These are three people: a banker who worked at Soldi Bank, who was required to work for Chechnya for half a year — Alexander Shevchenko. He said: "Yes, it's Romanovich." It was Alexander Gagaev, who worked at the bank when Chechens came there and demanded money. And he recognized Romanovich in that face: "Yes, it's Romanovich."

However, a few days later, when it became known in whose name the firm on Guryanova was officially registered — in the name of Laipanov (it was clear that it was a fake passport, as they used everywhere) — and look how drastically the faces that were put on the wanted list changed. Not one of them looks like the one that the residents of the house on Guryanova Street initially described.

I called the FSB then and said that this person looks very much like Vladimir Romanovich.

When we took the first Chechen group in '95, they said not to touch Romanovich. He cooperates with the FSB, so he cannot be touched.

He died in Cyprus shortly after the explosion. He was hit by a car.

M.I. TREPASHKIN: Well, if you look as a whole at the history of not only our intelligence services, but also foreign ones — always during these actions, the organizers are never revealed during the investigation. Never. That is, the links — yes, they are revealed. It seemed like everything reaches the last moment, and everything is uncovered, and everything is known — but this person who managed everyone — he is never known. Well, and as a rule, if you take the history of our security organs, in particular Grigory Syroezhkin, known for Spain and other actions — they ended their lives by simply being killed. By their own.

When the question arose to remove all traces, to cut off the organizer from the main executor, he, this executor, was killed.

Since, as a rule, this is a high-ranking person, then this is a Secret of the Kremlin, which is revealed in a hundred or two hundred years.

However, maybe it is not revealed at all. Maybe it is destroyed later — and that's it. It remains in the head, and the person is not interested — because if this gets publicity, it means the end of his life, it's a bad opinion and attitude towards his relatives.

We do have facts where information about events was brought to the population. After the Central Committee left and perestroika began, there were many such moments: during the popular unrest in the 60s, and those decisions that were made by the top leaders; it was about Georgia — when they didn't unravel it to the end, because many individuals also remained in power. But in most cases, it is buried forever. It remains unknown. So I think regarding the apartment bombings, if over time the version is confirmed that this was created specifically to justify mass human rights violations and generally distract from other problems, then I think that this will become known not very soon. And the investigation will end with them breaking it into parts, they will prosecute one by one, two by two those who poured [explosives] into bags there, who drove, who unloaded there... Maybe they will even find the one who set it in motion, that is, pressed the button. But the organizers of the whole action, I think, they will not be prosecuted.

Section 3: TANYA

TANYA: And aren't you scared at all? The further and deeper you dig, the more it seems to me that a greater danger arises for your life as well.

Section 4: M.I. TREPASHKIN

M.I. TREPASHKIN: I consider my work clean, I consider my work right. I have communicated with many comrades from the FSB and from the FSK, they will confirm that I have never betrayed or let anyone down. Therefore, I feel calm here.

M.I. TREPASHKIN: People have a fear that if you speak out against the authorities somewhere, then repressive measures will definitely be taken against you. This fear, this dread... A person can no longer openly express their opinion.

Not to mention direct actions — like going out and, as it was in the mid-nineties: manifestations, demonstrations.... And today — where, go try it! You will immediately be declared an extremist, a terrorist, a violator of public order, then God forbid they plant something on you and they will definitely put you in jail...

Section 5: MIT

MIT: Okay, I'm going. I'll call you.